Hi, it is indeed seems as being a Intake SPROCKET, not a solenoid issue. Sprocket is bolted to the end of intake Camshaft, and timing chain is on it. Solenoid pocks trough Valve Cover, two thingies on the left edge of valve cover with electrical connection to them, one for intake and one for exhaust.
Yes, what your mechanic is offering to do, totally makes sense and I would do the same with addition of Valve Cover Seals and Crankshaft Seal that is in the Timing Cover. Also, there are diamond powder coated washers 1 each for both camshafts and crankshaft - one time use, please make sure your mechanic is aware of this and orders those new.
All those parts can be ordered from Ford, I have done this several times as well as ordering everything as LR Parts from UK > First time I had to perform this job, after that I just ordered everything for FORD Escape 2015 2.0T engine. All those LR Parts will be FoMoCo parts in LR bags/boxes just 1.5-2 times more expensive, otherwise same parts.
I can go trough my Ford online account and give you part numbers, if needbe. You will reduce that repair bill significantly if order everything from Ford and will get same genuine parts i.e. zero quality compromise.
So to your questions:
1) not likely a solenoid but rather VVTi Sprocket, replacing solenoid while you're there, just makes sense.
2) Chains on these engines do actually last, and likely not an issue, but it has to come off in order to replace a VVTI Sprocket, new chain, new tensioner, new guides all not expensive part if you order from Ford. NEW Intake Camshaft is like $75, just for example.
3)YES! Hell yes! Stop driving that car for your own wallet sake. my fist Evoque, non runner that I purchased had less then 80K, Pieces that fell out from failed VVTi Sprocked got under the chain caused the chain to rip, can you imagine forces need to rip the timing chain? You can probably hang the car on it and it will hold, and then ripped chain caused more damage, I had to take the Cylinder head off and take it to machine shop to get repaired.

P.S. Based on my experience, if you never had a valve cover off, there are 2 rubber seals around those solenoids that stick out of valve cover, those seals, with time, fuse to the body of a solenoid and will rip as valve cover will be removed - those 2 seals must be ordered as LR Part Number, oh and Solenoids as well, do not order solenoid from FORD, they are different in diameter and electrical connector, just a solenoid(s) and those seals must be LR, again, I can give you Part Numbers if need be.
The way you check if VVTi Sprocket had vailed > remove valve cover> take a 23mm regular open end wrench, insert it on to intake valve (there is a spot for it) and try to rock the camshaft back/fourth as it rotates in the engine, it must standing still solid, be locked up with VVTi Sprocket, if you can feel camshaft mowing and VVTi Sprocket standing still - it has failed, as the locking mechanism inside VVTi Sprocked that locks it with camshaft fails.

 

Many thanks for the detailed response. Can you give me a rough idea of parts cost with ford. The mechanic quoted 3200$ including two sprockets ~600 each.. Chain. Guide tensioner. Gaskets. one vvt solenoid ~300

 

Timing Belt Tensioner Part#:GB5Z6K254A
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Thanks again - i noticed that on the ford Exhaust sprocket, that the photo looks different than the rover one, in that it has four bolts instead of three. could this simply be because they put up the wrong photo - or perhaps it is a slightly different part. Just want to point this observation out before proceeding.

 

Please keep in mind, that I had created an account at my local Ford Dealer, ordered all of these things online for local pick-up - it is cheaper this way then if I'd go there and ordered things over the counter.

 

These are seals for Solenoids, that are likely will get damaged while your shop will try to remove Valve Cover, these must be Land Rover, need 2

Gasket - Valve

LR070359 - Britpart, Allmakes and Land Rover options for LR070359 Gasket - Valve - EXPRESS Shipping - UK, EU and Worldwide.

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This is bolt that holds VVTi sprockets to camshafts, supposedly 1 time use, i.e. do not re-use, need 2

Bolt - Camshaft Sprocket - 2.0 TIVCT | DsS - Frl2 - Evoq - RRS2 - L405

LR025016 - Britpart, Allmakes and Land Rover options for LR025016 Bolt - Camshaft Sprocket - 2.0 TIVCT | DsS - Frl2 - Evoq - RRS2 - L405 - EXPRESS Shipping - UK, EU and Worldwide.

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This is diamond powder coated washer for camshafts, do not re-use, need 2
LR025305

Spacer - Cam Sprocket - 2.0 TIVCT | DsS - Frl2 - Evoq - RRS2 - RR L405

LR025305 - Britpart, Allmakes and Land Rover options for LR025305 Spacer - Cam Sprocket - 2.0 TIVCT | DsS - Frl2 - Evoq - RRS2 - RR L405 - EXPRESS Shipping - UK, EU and Worldwide.

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Exhaust Camshaft solenoid

Solenoid - Engine Variable Tim

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Intake Camshaft solenoid

Solenoid - Engine Variable Tim

LR024995 - Britpart, Allmakes and Land Rover options for LR024995 Solenoid - Engine Variable Tim - EXPRESS Shipping - UK, EU and Worldwide.

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Roman - Thank you for your expert guidance!!!!

 

Roman NJ - I assume for the vvt solenoids from lrdirect, peirberg (vs lr) is oem quality, only at a lower price and without lr packaging. thanks again for your guidance.

 

LR Direct are usually very open and clear if part is Genuine LR or alternative.
Pierburg is OEM Supplier, so quality should be the same.

 

One additional question - i would like to replace also the vvt solenoid fastening bolts (2). Can you advise if these should be ford or LR (part number etc), i struggle to use the ford website to find parts fr the 2.0 turbo. The reason - i recently had a bad experience where the head of one of these sheared off in the head of a bmw v8- not fun to remove... cheap insurance.

BTW - without your advice and the reduced parts cost, we would be getting rid of this car.

thanks again.

 

LR Direct has a parts diagram where you may find P/N for these bolts. Generally, they are barely torqued, so I'd out they stretched in any way, just put some blue theadlock and reuse. bolts are very inexpensive so ford vs lr, how bad can that be? order either one, if ou really want a new ones.

 

another question... looks like there are two part numbers for vvt solenoids. i had assumed these are the same - also the description does not indicate if intake or exhaust.

 

No, There is an intake one and exhaust one

 

Intake Solenoid LR024995
Exhaust Solenoid LR025652
Bolt that holds those solenoins RYG500150

 

Thanks - i noticed also timing chain kits on ebay claiming to be oem.

Pardon Our Interruption...

Do you think these could be genuine?

 

LOL!

 

My daughter’s 2016 evoque 3.has ck engine light. P0011 code intake timing advanced. No abnormal running or performance issues noted. She took it to a mechanic in the dallas area. The mechanic told her:
1. The intake camshaft timing is off.
2 it is not a vvt solenoid issue. They forced the position from their scanner and the solenoid responded
3. They want to replace timing chain (w guide and tensioner). Two sprockets (presumably both intake and exhaust phasers). And one vvt solenoid (presumably intake). $3200 parts 900 labor.
-looking for a “second opinion”.

my questions.
1. Could thin simply be due to vvt solenoid? Should i simply try this?
2. Can they easily point to chain issues with scanner and rule out solenoid? Or are they feeding her bs.
3. Should she be concerned aboul operation car and doing damage?
3 shop or ithere recommendations. Dallas area

thank you.

My OPINION, is that the timing chain, and ALL related components are among the worse components (really "mickey mouse"), and maybe THE worse. They NEED replacing more often than most people suspect, mostly due to wear of the chain tightening toy and chain runways. I have owned Rover cars beginning in the late 1950s, and Land Rovers.Range Rovers since the mid 1960s, and BY FAR the EVOQUE timing chain layout is a joke, horrible, in comparison to those earlier systems. However, one has to realize this is not a REAL Rover, but is a Ford product----Hint, Hint.

 

I am very skeptical of average small time mechanics working on vehicles not common, not USA made. Numerous of them understand auto mechanics in general, but know little about cars they seldom or never work on. Some see you coming, with an obvious high priced car, so they try to soak you on parts and or labor. Find a good honest man who will not be dishonest, and knows what he is talking about.

 

I would not buy any automotive parts from Amazon/Ebay especially if it looks too good to be true.
Most certainly this is counterfeit replicas from the country that starts with Ch

 

Roman. Please see the comment above regarding the photo of the ford exhaust VVT sprocket. It has four bolts while photos of the rover exhaust sprocket have only three bolts. any chance they are different? You mentioned that the solenoids (ford v rover) are different. maybe the photo is wrong..

 

I am guessing it is the wrong photo in the ford web site since I have found an aftermarket photo that shows different intake and exhaust sprockets.

 

One of them have 3 bolts, other one has 4, I do not remember which one is which.
It does not have to be game of guess, those Ford P/Ns will be on the VVTi solenoids in your range rover, one will have 3 bolts other one will have 4.
If you're looking at just a pictures on the websites - they could be generic as website people possibly would have no idea about what is intake what is exhaust etc.

 

I have been meaning to commend you for being one of the most well informed, if not THE most informed, and well experienced, contributor to this website, on the Rover Evoque. It is like a breath of fresh air, and you are not a professionally trained mechanic either, as you told me. GOOD on you.

 

Ok. Thks,,

 

#1, lets keep it clear... Solenoids are different and solenoid is in top, pocking trough valve cover. Solenoid is a control device for VVTi Sprockets, what are you showing on your pictures are VVTi Sprockets.
#2, golden rule: if it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Please do not buy any of these 99c parts, or anything offered as OEM from Ebay, Amazon at 1/2 or 1/3 оf the price, the damage low quality replicas may cause to the engine, all of those "savings" will fly out of the door and then some. While things look identical to the eye, you can not test if proper metal/alloy was used, it metal was hardened to the spec, etc.

 

Here is the view of a cylinder head from my #2 Evoque "the grey mouse" that pooped #4 piston in to oil pan.
See the locking mechenism is already broke and about to fell out. Thats at 77k miles.
So Exhaust VVTi Sprocket has 3 bolts, intake one has 4 bolts.

 

I also have a VVTI sprocket at "final stage" from my Evoque #1, where that spring and other pieces fall out completely while engine was running bounced around and got under the timing chain causing it snap - I can't even imagine the force needed to case timing chain to rip... i will post it when I find it.

 

If there's a range rover dealer in your area take it to them. Not all repair shops no how to diagnosis range rover problems. But if not take it to another shop and get a second opinion. I love my evoque but be prepared range rovers require a lot of maintenance.

 

I am not surprised that the shop you took it to suggests putting in a new timing chain with related guide and tensioners, etc. and intake and exhaust sprockets, especially the intake one, DEPENDING ON MILEAGE ON VEHICLE, of course. The timing chain guide, which the chain runs within--rubs against---, is PLASTIC, FAR from ideal. The intake sprocket has a stop pin within it, for Variable valve timing, which has a rather short life span, based on numerous ones I have seen coming into shops for repairing. I have been doing a long term study, to determine if Ford's sweetheart "ECOBOOST system" (Variable valve timing), DECREASES life expectancy of these components, compared to same engine with NON-VARIABLE valve timing, especially the intake sprocket. Not enough data is yet known, but it looks increasingly that the VVT system, though it has strong merits, DOES, indeed, DECREASE life expectancy of some or all components involved. If so, it clearly is caused from the constant ECOBOOST "stop go" increasing wear on the related components. THUS, my strong suggestion is that you stop using Ecoboost, just shut it off every time you start the vehicle. That is what I have been doing, and surprisingly, after doing that for about 6 months, the onboard computer now shuts it off by itself; I no longer need to shut it off---- Just watch the "on-off" light, to be sure it is off at each start. Because of their beloved ECOBOOST system, FORD found that it had to use a heavy duty starter on the system, speaking volumes about the system causing wear. Wear on less obvious longer term components seems almost certain too. MY OPINION.

 

Final update. Found a shop in Dallas to do the repair at a reasonably price. After valve cover removed saw the classic intake sprocket spring failure as identified in the rover service bulletin. replaced all parts with new mostly ford parts and set timing. Car is running well now. No codes.

 

Thanks again to Roman Nj for your guidance.