[debert99]

Final update. Found a shop in Dallas to do the repair at a reasonably price. After valve cover removed saw the classic intake sprocket spring failure as identified in the rover service bulletin. replaced all parts with new mostly ford parts and set timing. Car is running well now. No codes.

Thanks again to Roman Nj for your guidance.

 

[debert99]

Final update. Found a shop in Dallas to do the repair at a reasonably price. After valve cover removed saw the classic intake sprocket spring failure as identified in the rover service bulletin. replaced all parts with new mostly ford parts and set timing. Car is running well now. No codes.

 

[debert99]

I have been meaning to commend you for being one of the most well informed, if not THE most informed, and well experienced, contributor to this website, on the Rover Evoque. It is like a breath of fresh air, and you are not a professionally trained mechanic either, as you told me. GOOD on you.

Roman - I echo the words of thanks from roverfan. Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge/experience and interesting stories about your journey form Ukraine to the US. I pray that we will see peace in that region of the world in the very near future. Before the war broke out, i was wanting to travel there. My daughter (who owns the 16 evoque iwth cam sprocket issue) was in Lviv and Kiev in 2019. Visited Chernobyl etc. A country with rich history.

 

[debert99]

Ok. Thks,,

 

[debert99]

Roman. Please see the comment above regarding the photo of the ford exhaust VVT sprocket. It has four bolts while photos of the rover exhaust sprocket have only three bolts. any chance they are different? You mentioned that the solenoids (ford v rover) are different. maybe the photo is wrong..

I am guessing it is the wrong photo in the ford web site since I have found an aftermarket photo that shows different intake and exhaust sprockets.

 

[debert99]

Roman. Please see the comment above regarding the photo of the ford exhaust VVT sprocket. It has four bolts while photos of the rover exhaust sprocket have only three bolts. any chance they are different? You mentioned that the solenoids (ford v rover) are different. maybe the photo is wrong..

 

[debert99]

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Timing Belt/Chain Part#:CJ5Z6268A
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Engine Crankshaft Pulley Washer. Engine Harmonic Balancer Washer. Part#:1S7Z6378AA
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Engine Valve Cover Gasket Set. Rocker Cover Gasket. Part#:BB5Z6584A
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Thanks again - i noticed that on the ford Exhaust sprocket, that the photo looks different than the rover one, in that it has four bolts instead of three. could this simply be because they put up the wrong photo - or perhaps it is a slightly different part. Just want to point this observation out before proceeding.

 

[debert99]

Thanks - i noticed also timing chain kits on ebay claiming to be oem.

Pardon Our Interruption...

Do you think these could be genuine?

 

[debert99]

another question... looks like there are two part numbers for vvt solenoids. i had assumed these are the same - also the description does not indicate if intake or exhaust.

 

[debert99]

One additional question - i would like to replace also the vvt solenoid fastening bolts (2). Can you advise if these should be ford or LR (part number etc), i struggle to use the ford website to find parts fr the 2.0 turbo. The reason - i recently had a bad experience where the head of one of these sheared off in the head of a bmw v8- not fun to remove... cheap insurance.

BTW - without your advice and the reduced parts cost, we would be getting rid of this car.

thanks again.

 

[debert99]

Roman NJ - I assume for the vvt solenoids from lrdirect, peirberg (vs lr) is oem quality, only at a lower price and without lr packaging. thanks again for your guidance.

 

[debert99]

Roman - Thank you for your expert guidance!!!!

 

[debert99]

Hi, it is indeed seems as being a Intake SPROCKET, not a solenoid issue. Sprocket is bolted to the end of intake Camshaft, and timing chain is on it. Solenoid pocks trough Valve Cover, two thingies on the left edge of valve cover with electrical connection to them, one for intake and one for exhaust.
Yes, what your mechanic is offering to do, totally makes sense and I would do the same with addition of Valve Cover Seals and Crankshaft Seal that is in the Timing Cover. Also, there are diamond powder coated washers 1 each for both camshafts and crankshaft - one time use, please make sure your mechanic is aware of this and orders those new.
All those parts can be ordered from Ford, I have done this several times as well as ordering everything as LR Parts from UK > First time I had to perform this job, after that I just ordered everything for FORD Escape 2015 2.0T engine. All those LR Parts will be FoMoCo parts in LR bags/boxes just 1.5-2 times more expensive, otherwise same parts.
I can go trough my Ford online account and give you part numbers, if needbe. You will reduce that repair bill significantly if order everything from Ford and will get same genuine parts i.e. zero quality compromise.
So to your questions:
1) not likely a solenoid but rather VVTi Sprocket, replacing solenoid while you're there, just makes sense.
2) Chains on these engines do actually last, and likely not an issue, but it has to come off in order to replace a VVTI Sprocket, new chain, new tensioner, new guides all not expensive part if you order from Ford. NEW Intake Camshaft is like $75, just for example.
3)YES! Hell yes! Stop driving that car for your own wallet sake. my fist Evoque, non runner that I purchased had less then 80K, Pieces that fell out from failed VVTi Sprocked got under the chain caused the chain to rip, can you imagine forces need to rip the timing chain? You can probably hang the car on it and it will hold, and then ripped chain caused more damage, I had to take the Cylinder head off and take it to machine shop to get repaired.

P.S. Based on my experience, if you never had a valve cover off, there are 2 rubber seals around those solenoids that stick out of valve cover, those seals, with time, fuse to the body of a solenoid and will rip as valve cover will be removed - those 2 seals must be ordered as LR Part Number, oh and Solenoids as well, do not order solenoid from FORD, they are different in diameter and electrical connector, just a solenoid(s) and those seals must be LR, again, I can give you Part Numbers if need be.
The way you check if VVTi Sprocket had vailed > remove valve cover> take a 23mm regular open end wrench, insert it on to intake valve (there is a spot for it) and try to rock the camshaft back/fourth as it rotates in the engine, it must standing still solid, be locked up with VVTi Sprocket, if you can feel camshaft mowing and VVTi Sprocket standing still - it has failed, as the locking mechanism inside VVTi Sprocked that locks it with camshaft fails.

Many thanks for the detailed response. Can you give me a rough idea of parts cost with ford. The mechanic quoted 3200$ including two sprockets ~600 each.. Chain. Guide tensioner. Gaskets. one vvt solenoid ~300